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The College Brand vs the NBA's

I split Denver Nuggets season tickets with a few friends and two weeks ago we held our lottery to see which games we were going to this year. High on my list were the two Memphis Grizzlies games, and for those knowledgeable with my Mizzou infatuation, you will understand the reason: former Mizzou standout, and current NBA rookie, DeMarre Carroll.

So this past Sunday I went to the Nuggets-Grizzlies game, which turned out to be a defensive-minded 133-123 slugfest

Having these Nuggets season tickets, and being a season ticket holder before, I have seen a good amount of NBA games despite not growing up liking or caring about the pro style.

I grew up in a college town (Columbus, OH) and went to school in a state without pro basketball, so naturally the NBA was not a high priority on my watch list.  Even while my Chicago-raised college friends were watching Jordan win 6 NBA titles, I didn't pay much attention.

That changed when I moved to Denver and started following the then-lowly Nuggets.  I started watching them because nobody else was.  They would win less that 20 games per season when I moved to town and I could get front row seats from scalpers for $10 or $15 a ticket.  At that time I wouldn't miss it when the Clippers visited to catch Keyon Dooling.

Fast forward nearly 10 years, and you can catch me watching the Nuggets through most of their 82 games.

During the fall and winter months, if I am watching sports, the only thing that supersedes the Nuggets would be when Mizzou is on (thanks to the Full Court package I haven't missed a Mizzou game in years).

So with that as a background, I can say with good accuracy that I now know both the NBA and college games.  How they operate and the difference between the two.

For my money, I would take a game between student-athletes over a one played by millionaires.

I feel the innocence of the college game makes it the better spectator sport.  Sure you will have corruption with some of the kids, agents and money grabbers lurking in the background, but that happens only to a limited number of college kids.  For the most part, the superstar on a college program may have someone with malice intension giving them direction, but, for the most part, the other 4 on the floor and all those coming off the bench are playing for the pure love of the sport, and a free education.

In the pros you have businessmen.  These people are individual corporations.  The league MINIMUM for a rookie this year is over $450,000.  Which means if you have never played an NBA game and make a roster, you are guaranteed nearly a half a million dollars to suit up and ride the pine.

So let's take a look at the typical last man off the bench who might fit this bill in both pros and college.

The last man off the bench in college is generally a walk-on, or former walk-on now on scholarship.  When they get in the crowd is behind them, chanting their name (think Rudy) and their teammates do whatever they can to get the kid an open shot.

Conversely in the pros, the last man off the bench is fighting to stay in the league.  If they are a rookie, making nearly half a million dollars, they know they need stats to keep them on the payroll.  Consequently when they do get into the game, generally during blowouts, they are more likely to do things to get in the scorebook.  Jacking shots and being selfish.  Their teammates are generally in the same boat as them, and are also looking to jack shots, get in the books and keep their jobs.

NBA apologists like ESPN's Colin Cowherd will say that the athleticism, speed and size of the NBA makes it a better sell than the college version.  And he, and others who make this argument, are right.  The NBA is bigger, faster and more athletic.  But that doesn't make it better... does it?

To quote my buddy Gus in the midst of the Nuggets-Grizzlies game, "In college DeMarre would regularly be the tallest guy on the court." Now the 6-8, 225 pounder is playing small forward and matching up against the first week NBA MVP in Carmelo Anthony.

So what?  Does the JYD's reduced size make him less of a player? Or make that brand of hoops any better?  I don't see how you can argue that.

If proportionally everyone is taller in the NBA than college, what is the difference?  In college you might have a 6-8 center and 6-0 guard.  In pros it will be a 6-4 guard and 7-0 center.  Proportions remain the same.  No advantage.

On Sunday you could also look across the bench at fellow rookie, and former North Carolina Tar Heel, Denver Nugget Ty Lawson and compare speed.

Last year Lawson was sprinting up and down the floor, leading Carolina to the national championship.  This year he is one of the fastest guys on the court, but not necessarily the fastest guy out there.  Defensive players are getting back and can now front him.

Does this make it better?  For my money, I would like to see a guy sprint down the floor and go in for a two handed jam, than to see him pull up at the free throw line and attempt a shot.  And for those claiming this makes the NBA better, besides the excitement of a dunk, if it is your team, which would you rather have your guy shoot?  A high percentage lay-up/dunk with a possibility of an And One or a pull up 15 footer?

And as for excitement.  What is better?  March Madness or the NBA playoffs?

Another way to ask this question, three weeks of knock-out basketball or a playoff series that takes three weeks to complete.

What do you think?

And while this argument is based solely that college is better, that doesn't discredit the NBA.  It is still FANtastic, but in comparing the 2, it sink to the bottom.

As an aside, if you are interested in following the Denver Nuggets, check out our SB Nation friends over at Denver Stiffs.  They put on a good show.

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I agree with most of your reasons for College Basketball being a better game to watch. I think you too easily dismissed the athleticism of the NBA though. It’s not less exciting to watch Ty Law pull up for a jumper. It’s actually more exciting to watch him race down the floor and get his shot contested because he isn’t putting attempting a lay-up against a future blackjack dealer or Walmart greeter. It’s also pretty exciting to watch Lebron James race down court and swat a shot into the 3rd row. I think the athleticism has more to do with watching players do something amazing every few minutes rather than rely on the coach’s system to win games. I also don’t think the height ratio you pointed out has anything to do with anything.

The biggest problem with the NBA and why it will always pale in comparison to the college game is that most NBA teams don’t really play hard until there are less than 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. College players go all out from the opening tip until the end of the second half. Every possession is meaningful and the effort is noticeable. I’d rather pay $15 to watch college kids play their tails off than $80 to watch millionaires play only when the ball is in their hands.

by drussell420 on Nov 2, 2009 12:32 PM CST reply actions  

Touche

Very valid point on the cost to attend a game in college vs pro. Advantage: College.

Buying beer while watching a game, though: Advantage: Pros

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by Evan Pfaff on Nov 2, 2009 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it’s a matter of personal preference. Just like NCAA football and the NFL, NCAA basketball and the NBA are played very differently. For example, how many college football teams run the spread offense and then how many NFL teams run it? In my opinion, the same could be said for basketball – the style of play is very different. As you know, in some cases, those that excel in one style of play don’t necessarily do as well in another style.

Obviously, the talent in professional ranks is not comparable to that of the collegiate ranks. However, as previously stated, you can see the determination and effort throughout an entire college game.

For me, I simply enjoy the college style of play a lot more than the pro game.

by CoreyTateDecker on Nov 2, 2009 3:28 PM CST reply actions  

NBA vs. College

For pageantry and atmosphere, the college game is tops but if you like watching the best players on the planet play basketball, the NBA is the game.

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by Jubanator14 on Nov 3, 2009 2:07 AM CST reply actions  

The NBA to me seems slower (not talking about speed)

Every once in awhile I’ll turn on an NBA game and get bored real quick. Too many fouls are called. Only a few players at a given time appear to be hustling. A lot of standing around on defense.

I’ll take great ball movement around the perimeter to find the open guy for a tre rather than watch Kobe Bryant go one-on-one by making a few moves only to pull up for the jumper anyday.

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by mystman995 on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

You missed the point about the NBA being bigger, faster, and more athletic. It’s not that the proportions are different or that people would rather see a jump shot then a dunk/layup. It’s that these are the BEST athletes in the world. If/when Ty Lawson beats his man for a layup, he has beaten the best, making him one of the best.

I enjoy the innocence and all-out hustle of college sports but I’ve heard arguments that in college ball they play defense and in the pros they don’t, which just isn’t true. First off, college players are just worse athletes who make less good plays and clank more shots. Secondly, if you look at the most successful NBA teams they have a commitment to defense. LA buckled down and played it last year, Boston the year before, and San Antonio has dominated a decade of basketball with superior defense. Not to mention the college champion last year, UNC, rarely played defense at all, choosing to win games that ran into the 90’s and 100’s which in the college game is just ludicrous.

I love both levels of basketball for different reasons and March Madness is truly exciting but the last couple years it has lost it’s luster. The beauty of MM is that the underdogs win and some go deep into the tournament but 2 years ago all the #1 seeds made the final four. Last year only TWO teams below a 4 seed made it to the Sweet 16. Arizona(12, perennial tournament tournament big dog) out of the Pac-10 and Purdue(5) out of the Big 10. Not a single true underdog, which is just BORING.

Also, the NBA has made a mockery of the college game by requiring rookies to be one year removed from high school. These one-and-dones kind’ve try for one semester and blow of the second because they are just trying the find the shortest route to the pros. This brings me to another point.

There is no continuity in college basketball with players because ALL of them can only play 4 years with their team. MANY of them leave before their eligibility is used up. Many people watch basketball for the players but when they don’t hang around for long how can you get to know them and want to root for them?

In short, I prefer the NBA because the reasoning for college ball just doesn’t add up. However, I will still watch it because I absolutely LOVE basketball.

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by Rich Town on Nov 3, 2009 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

Continuity argument makes no sense. Pretend you’re a Shaq fan. How many teams have you had to root for?

The college game is more like this: the program is bigger than 1 person. I’m a fan of Iowa State Basketball regardless of who’s playing there and who’s coaching the team. It’s the community I spent 5 years going to school in, and I have a connection to that team and community for the rest of my life. When I watch that team, I think of my college days.

For the NBA, I grew up a Timberwolves fan. I loved Kevin Garnett, and it was heart breaking watching him win a championship on another team. I hate that crap. You also can have some punk owner trade a fan favorite for no reason. With free agency and trades, you can have a guy on your team gone during the season. For college, if guys transfer or leave early, at least they’re playing for a full season.

by Mark Kieffer on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you about loyalty to a school/team. I like this facet of college ball but you can also gain loyalty to a certain pro team because of a player, i.e. I love the Spurs because I loved watching Tim Duncan in college and liked David Robinson too.

True, many players change teams but most often these are the role players that few people are a fan of anyway. Franchise players like Kobe Bryant, Karl Malone, David Robinson, Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Hakeem Olajuwon and Tim Duncan stay with one team for most or all of their careers.

We have yet to see if this is the case for the next crop of franchise players (Chris Paul, Lebron James, Dwyane Wade, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony) but Paul just signed an extension with a Hornets team that seems unlikely to make a push for a championships within the next couple years. THATS loyalty. Not to mention Steve Nash just signed an extension with a Suns team that has NO chance for a championship. The greatest players stay with their teams for the most part.

You brought up a good example in Shaq because he is a truly great player that has switched teams several times, but I feel he is an exception to the rule of great players.

Whereas, great players in college leave after one year (maybe 2) because they’re already good enough to play in the NBA.

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by Rich Town on Nov 11, 2009 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Biggest difference

Is the NBA is too saturated. 82 games is way too many and guys aren’t giving their all everytime.

I only watch the NBA playoffs, because that’s the best chance of watching good basketball at that level.

In the NCAA there are less games which I like. Doesn’t consume my whole life. I go to 18-20 home games a year instead of 41.

I feel like NCAA is more of a team sport. You have some teams that actually play defense. Most teams play some kind of an offensive set. The NBA is a lot more individualistic. Guys aren’t playing for the team, they’re playing for themselves.

by Mark Kieffer on Nov 4, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions  


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